Need P30 turn signal cancel cam and horn pigtail

[CapnDirk]

Signal cancel cam is broken at top of stem that takes the horn button pigtail.  P30 is not the same as the vertical tube for horn wire is empty and receives the spring loaded pigtail for the horn button.  Mine is broken away where the twist lock is and a metal spring loaded shaft remains.  This vertical tube also appears to be taller than the example here for a P30.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/76-UP-CHEVY-GMC-BUICK-PONTIAC-OLDS-TURN-SIGNAL-CANCEL-CAM-TILT-STEERING-COLUMN-/151918352742?fits=Model%3AP30&hash=item235f0a1966:m:mko0CloTtkE2Uhmf74dfn6A&vxp=mtr


I believe this is due to the aftermarket steering wheel.


So, does anybody have a source for a replacement turn signal cancel cam and the horn button pigtail that marries to it?
Thanks

[M & J]

Found both those items on the Dorman site. About any auto parts store either has or you can order through.

http://www.dormanproducts.com/c-741-turn-signal-cams-switches.aspx

[CapnDirk]

Thanks M & J but the two on the page are the same ones I've found, and seem to be too short as well as not having the incorporated metal spring loaded plunger.  In the ones pictured you will see that the vertical stem that taked the spring loaded pigtail at the bottom of the page is empty.


I believe this is due to it being aftermarket to work with the aftermarket steering wheel.  I suppose I should start with asking the group if you have a standard chev steering wheel and horn or aftermarket if your rig is same vintage as mine.


Here is mine, the part with the twist lock for horn pigtail is broken away at the top of the stem.

[M & J]

Any idea what make the after market wheel is? That is item vauguely familiar but I cant place the manufacturer.

[DaveVA78Chieftain]

Any of this stuff help you?
https://www.millsupply.com/stepvan-parts/steering-components/steering-column-components-gm-workhorse/

https://www.google.com/search?q=825-4+horn+ring&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwyqab66zTAhXpgVQKHe-_DcEQsAQIIg&biw=1252&bih=554#tbm=isch&q=chevy+truck+cancling+cam

[Rickf1985]

I am guessing you have already looked for a name all over the wheel with no luck? Mine is a standard Chevrolet steering wheel from a higher end pick up.

[CapnDirk]

M&J:  No idea on the maker of the wheel.


Dave:  First link shows the very common ones (turn signal cam) but not mine.  Second link of pics showed what I found last night that my cam is like this.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LW7U4B3/


However, there should be someway to have contact between that plunger in the canceling cam and the horn button, and I found this..


https://www.camarocentral.com/1967_1968_Horn_Cap_Mounting_Set_p/ste-85.htm


This would suggest an intermediate part (the thing with the three bolt holes).


Research on youtube for my era winnie showed that most columns have a standard Chevy steering wheel and horn as Rick pointed out.  I also noticed that many late 80's were a Chevy Cavalier.  EXCEPT the Suncruiser....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWxAAkMeQW8


At about 20 seconds.  So, I do have a stock Winnie setup at least for a Suncruiser.  If anyone knows whats under the horn button I would be grateful.

[Rickf1985]

I was just out in mine and spotted the horn pad on the floor and it reminded me of this post. Mine is NOT a stock wheel. Three spoke with allen screws around the hub of the wheel. Looks like a ribbed extender under the wheel. I took the pad off because it was so hard you could not blow the horn. That wheel has all the looks of a Grant steering wheel.

As a matter of fact, here is a picture of it from way back when I had the interior all torn apart. There is normally a pad that covers the metal spokes that pulls right off, looks better without it. Plus you can actually blow the horn without pushing the wheel through the dash. W%

[DaveVA78Chieftain]

You will need to contact Winnebago to see if they can help you. 
From the Winnebago 1988 P-Common parts book:

Custom Steering Wheel
080752-05-00 Steering Wheel
080752-06-00 Hub Adapter, Steering Wheel
080752-07-00 Button - Horn - W/Wire
080752-08-00 Screw - Custom Steering Wheel

[M & J]

Definately a Grant wheel Rick.

[CapnDirk]

Rick, you got what I got!,  My pad is still good, but what should be under that horn button is a question mark.  Do you remember another thread we were involved in that the turn signal, high beam, wiper stick was also somewhat unique to ours?


I'm getting the sense that 88-89 or the higher end Winnies of the era may have been different.


M$J:  I believe you are right.  My earlier posts suggested maybe a user installed aftermarket wheel, but from the youtube video and Ricks pic, this was "aftermarket stock" of the time/model.


Dave: Thanks, will research the part numbers.


Rick:  A beer for a pic of what's under the horn button 


My thanks to all of you.  We seem to get hung up too often not on fixing a chevy or ford, but a chassis and body that continued to evolve.  At least the chassis evolve smoothly to some extent  .  The body continued to change based on what was available/cheep at any given time.  That's where this forum and its people become so valuable to us all.  Real experience, research, and finding an alternate way to make it work if necessary!


Cheers

[M & J]

I spent some time on the Grant web site looking for an adapter or something to direct you to. None of the GM install kits or adapters looked exactly like the one in your pic.

[tmsnyder]

The wire broke off of mine too.    Just peel up those bent over tabs, separate the ring and solder the wire back on. 

[Rickf1985]

Since mine is still working I prefer to leave it alone, I have enough issues with this thing to deal with so I don't want to create more of my own doing.

[CapnDirk]

Rick. The horn button itself is only about 3/4 inch thick and just pushed into the hole.

Tmsnyder:  I saw a forum post in some Camaro forum where they had done just that.  If I cant get it figured out, I'll have to do that.  This metal nail plunger was intended for another piece to be there, and I'd bet that the winnie owners who have the stock chevy horn pad would find that in there.

So, Rick and I have the same steering column as most, but with the different turn/wiper stick and Grant steering wheel.  Everything I'm seeing suggests this combo was only a couple years, and a couple models.


M&J:  I went to the Grant site to, a whole lot of the same adapters just for different columns.  I wonder if Winnie bought these as steering wheel and hub only, and Winne hacked something to join the horn button to that metal pin.  What I have for a wire is female spade terminal on end for the horn, and a female bullet terminal on the other.  You can't push it onto that metal pin as it's spring loaded.